amitga
02-01 02:03 PM
In my view H1B problem is directly related to Retrogression problem. Lets step backwards and analyze this.
Why so many GC were applied at the first place that caused retrogression. Because a large number of people came on H1B to US. All these people who came to US on H1b did not actually had any extraordinary skills. These people somehow got in touch with these Desi Consulting companies and came here without any skill and without any projects. These desi consulting companies applied there GC irrespective of the fact that these guys have a job or not. Some of the people I know have sat on bench for years, living with their relatives, unable to get any job. But they had their labour filed. These knid of people would not have made to US, if these fadudent companies were not there.
Also big companies, have a policy not to apply GC before one year of service. The point was that these companys will file GC only if they feel that the employee adds value to the company. But with these desi companys people have filed GC even before joining the companys.
In essence if the GC process was working without these Desi companies, I can bet that the number of GC applied would have been much lower than what have we currently have.
Substituted labor has further added to this problem.
H1B problems have nothing to do with retrogression.
If H1B employees are being mistreated by a certain class of employers, then what does that have to do with shortage of visa numbers?
Nothing.
Misuse and abuse of H1B program did not cause retrogression. And if the abuse ends, its not going to end retrogression. The H1B program does provide ammunition to anti-immigrants to use that paint-brush and paint the entire program of H1B and Employment based GC as bad. Fortune 500 companies dont engage in unethical behavior. The TCS, Wipro etc maybe do that. Small bodyshops certainly do that. I am yet to see a small body-shop, operated by a citizen of foriegn origin, working by the book and treating employees well.
But all said and done, these things make our life more difficult and exacerbate the situation that arose from retrogression. However, these things didnt cause retrogression.
At the most, these issues of H1B abuse may have provided support to some groups in keeping the H1B quota down. However, it has nothing to do with EB quota. In fact, IEEE-USA advocates bringing down H1B quota and RAISING the employment based GC quota, in order to remove factors that encourage employer abuse.
Why so many GC were applied at the first place that caused retrogression. Because a large number of people came on H1B to US. All these people who came to US on H1b did not actually had any extraordinary skills. These people somehow got in touch with these Desi Consulting companies and came here without any skill and without any projects. These desi consulting companies applied there GC irrespective of the fact that these guys have a job or not. Some of the people I know have sat on bench for years, living with their relatives, unable to get any job. But they had their labour filed. These knid of people would not have made to US, if these fadudent companies were not there.
Also big companies, have a policy not to apply GC before one year of service. The point was that these companys will file GC only if they feel that the employee adds value to the company. But with these desi companys people have filed GC even before joining the companys.
In essence if the GC process was working without these Desi companies, I can bet that the number of GC applied would have been much lower than what have we currently have.
Substituted labor has further added to this problem.
H1B problems have nothing to do with retrogression.
If H1B employees are being mistreated by a certain class of employers, then what does that have to do with shortage of visa numbers?
Nothing.
Misuse and abuse of H1B program did not cause retrogression. And if the abuse ends, its not going to end retrogression. The H1B program does provide ammunition to anti-immigrants to use that paint-brush and paint the entire program of H1B and Employment based GC as bad. Fortune 500 companies dont engage in unethical behavior. The TCS, Wipro etc maybe do that. Small bodyshops certainly do that. I am yet to see a small body-shop, operated by a citizen of foriegn origin, working by the book and treating employees well.
But all said and done, these things make our life more difficult and exacerbate the situation that arose from retrogression. However, these things didnt cause retrogression.
At the most, these issues of H1B abuse may have provided support to some groups in keeping the H1B quota down. However, it has nothing to do with EB quota. In fact, IEEE-USA advocates bringing down H1B quota and RAISING the employment based GC quota, in order to remove factors that encourage employer abuse.
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dpp
06-12 11:06 PM
Are you sick?
Go and check how many EB3 India and EB2 India applications approved each year. They are approving double or triple the number of EB3 applications than they approve EB2. Go back to past and ask people not to apply in EB3, then only it solves your problem.
Its all because of toooooooooo many EB3 india applications in past. So, live with that fact.
I believe that there is a great flaw in the way the USCIS allocates VISA NUMBERS among EB1, EB2 and EB3 which is very much evident and if we can stand united we can get something done.
After carefully observing the trend in VISA approval and VISA bulletins, It is a reality that EB3-I is not moving and at the same time EB2 and EB1 are moving fast in relative terms and probably may even become current ( EB1 is already current ), But one thing USCIS is clearly not considering is the Priority Date, which basically means that they are not giving a damn thing about how long the person from EB3-I is waiting for. Here is my suggestion and some of the IV representatives need to analyse what Iam gonna say and see if they can stand up. Being an EB3-I india myself, i totally agree that EB1 and EB2 should be given a weightage and some preference over EB3, but I dont agree to what USCIS is currently following, EB2 With priority 2006 getting ahead of EB3-I with priority date 2001. This is ridiculous and to even think about it, it just sounds stupid. What they can do is , They can move the Dates in both Categories while giving preference to EB1 and EB2 first.
Please dont jump up & down before i complete. Iam just giving you an example of how things should work and how they can move dates forward for all 3 categories while maintaining that EB1 and EB2 gets preference over EB3. Let us ignore Eb1, since it is already current. Now Coming to Eb2, the priority Date is 2004 for them.Ideally speaking, They should not move them ahead until atleast EB3 reaches 2004. But once Both EB2 and EB3 reaches the priority date of 2004, Obviously EB2 gets the preference over Eb3 and EB2 will start to move ahead but not by much, let us say 1 year. Now, Clearly, EB2 is still given the extra preference over EB3 but at the same time, we are maintaining the priority dates between EB2 and EB3 as close as possible so that the system is not totally unfair to EB3 filers. I think, as one of the un-biased Organisation we should stand up against this unfair treatment in general. I hope even EB-2 will understand what iam trying to say.
let me know if iam making any sense. If am wrong, also let me know. So that i can get a better understanding of things and correct myself.
Go and check how many EB3 India and EB2 India applications approved each year. They are approving double or triple the number of EB3 applications than they approve EB2. Go back to past and ask people not to apply in EB3, then only it solves your problem.
Its all because of toooooooooo many EB3 india applications in past. So, live with that fact.
I believe that there is a great flaw in the way the USCIS allocates VISA NUMBERS among EB1, EB2 and EB3 which is very much evident and if we can stand united we can get something done.
After carefully observing the trend in VISA approval and VISA bulletins, It is a reality that EB3-I is not moving and at the same time EB2 and EB1 are moving fast in relative terms and probably may even become current ( EB1 is already current ), But one thing USCIS is clearly not considering is the Priority Date, which basically means that they are not giving a damn thing about how long the person from EB3-I is waiting for. Here is my suggestion and some of the IV representatives need to analyse what Iam gonna say and see if they can stand up. Being an EB3-I india myself, i totally agree that EB1 and EB2 should be given a weightage and some preference over EB3, but I dont agree to what USCIS is currently following, EB2 With priority 2006 getting ahead of EB3-I with priority date 2001. This is ridiculous and to even think about it, it just sounds stupid. What they can do is , They can move the Dates in both Categories while giving preference to EB1 and EB2 first.
Please dont jump up & down before i complete. Iam just giving you an example of how things should work and how they can move dates forward for all 3 categories while maintaining that EB1 and EB2 gets preference over EB3. Let us ignore Eb1, since it is already current. Now Coming to Eb2, the priority Date is 2004 for them.Ideally speaking, They should not move them ahead until atleast EB3 reaches 2004. But once Both EB2 and EB3 reaches the priority date of 2004, Obviously EB2 gets the preference over Eb3 and EB2 will start to move ahead but not by much, let us say 1 year. Now, Clearly, EB2 is still given the extra preference over EB3 but at the same time, we are maintaining the priority dates between EB2 and EB3 as close as possible so that the system is not totally unfair to EB3 filers. I think, as one of the un-biased Organisation we should stand up against this unfair treatment in general. I hope even EB-2 will understand what iam trying to say.
let me know if iam making any sense. If am wrong, also let me know. So that i can get a better understanding of things and correct myself.
whitecollarslave
01-30 05:29 PM
Here's another question -
"Illegal immigration has been a topic of heated debate and has received much needed attention during this election. In the midst of all the hype and bickering about ILLEGAL immigration, there is a group of people, often forgotten and ignored, who are caught up in a bureaucratic mess and yet are patiently waiting on the path to LEGAL immigration. This is a group of high skilled workers, most of whom have advanced degrees in medicine, engineering and science from Universities in the US. These people have obeyed all laws, worked hard, paid taxes and waited their turn, many for a decade, because of a system that is hopelessly broken and inefficient. I am one of these people and I have been in the US legally for 10 years and still years away from getting a green card. As the President of the United States how do you intend to address the problems faced by future Americans already living and working LEGALLY in the United States? Please note, this question is NOT about ILLEGAL immigration but about LEGAL immigration."
I voted for both. Please do the same.
http://dyn.politico.com/debate/democrats/VoteForQuestion.cfm#
"Illegal immigration has been a topic of heated debate and has received much needed attention during this election. In the midst of all the hype and bickering about ILLEGAL immigration, there is a group of people, often forgotten and ignored, who are caught up in a bureaucratic mess and yet are patiently waiting on the path to LEGAL immigration. This is a group of high skilled workers, most of whom have advanced degrees in medicine, engineering and science from Universities in the US. These people have obeyed all laws, worked hard, paid taxes and waited their turn, many for a decade, because of a system that is hopelessly broken and inefficient. I am one of these people and I have been in the US legally for 10 years and still years away from getting a green card. As the President of the United States how do you intend to address the problems faced by future Americans already living and working LEGALLY in the United States? Please note, this question is NOT about ILLEGAL immigration but about LEGAL immigration."
I voted for both. Please do the same.
http://dyn.politico.com/debate/democrats/VoteForQuestion.cfm#
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kpchal2
07-18 04:57 PM
how can i talk to those knowledgeble service reps from the service center. can you please suggest me how i can get to them, i have been trying to talk to them since morning and i could not get beyond the first service rep. any tips on how to get to them
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veni001
04-15 06:29 PM
Hi hur11
Please let me know which category you have applied EB2/ EB3. Below is my qualification
Degree : B.Com ( 3 years)
PG : M.C.A (IGNOU - 3 Years)
Experience - 8 Years in India and 3 years in USA with different employer.
Thanks in Advance
-vga
The job must qualify for EB2 first, which means BS+5 yrs of progressive exp or MS as min requirement.
Please let me know which category you have applied EB2/ EB3. Below is my qualification
Degree : B.Com ( 3 years)
PG : M.C.A (IGNOU - 3 Years)
Experience - 8 Years in India and 3 years in USA with different employer.
Thanks in Advance
-vga
The job must qualify for EB2 first, which means BS+5 yrs of progressive exp or MS as min requirement.
SK2007
11-02 02:45 PM
I think you got a very good point here.
If India is really good economically, people from all over the world would be going there and find job.
There are people from even poorer countries coming to India for education and employment and so.
I agree that property is getting expensive by second in India, Some times it makes me think, most of us who wants to go back might not go back for wrong economical resons, Don't you think this is what happened to many people who migrated to African countries before Indian Independence. Most of them never visited India in their life time(I attribute most of them to economic reasons). I am not if this is a paradox or anticlimax.
If India is really good economically, people from all over the world would be going there and find job.
There are people from even poorer countries coming to India for education and employment and so.
I agree that property is getting expensive by second in India, Some times it makes me think, most of us who wants to go back might not go back for wrong economical resons, Don't you think this is what happened to many people who migrated to African countries before Indian Independence. Most of them never visited India in their life time(I attribute most of them to economic reasons). I am not if this is a paradox or anticlimax.
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07-16 10:09 AM
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kerstbrd
07-18 09:57 PM
This is applicable when 140 has been approved. If 485 is retrogressed then you will get 3 year extension. If it's current you will get 1 year extension. Guess depends on luck. For e.g if some one has applied for extension in July he/she will now get only 1 year. I found this in a lawyer's chat transcripts.
Makes me wonder why we're paying our lawyers. I'm learning more from this forum than what he's told me over 6 years of interaction.
Makes me wonder why we're paying our lawyers. I'm learning more from this forum than what he's told me over 6 years of interaction.
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rheoretro
09-13 02:45 PM
Folks,
I am speaking in my personal capacity here. While I am all for freedom of expression and assembly, I don't think that rallies will in any way help our cause. We have to talk to people and participate in various forums to make them aware of our cause. Standing and protesting is not going to help us, because our voice will still be lost in the din...we need to speak where it matters and be heard where it matters...
RR
I am speaking in my personal capacity here. While I am all for freedom of expression and assembly, I don't think that rallies will in any way help our cause. We have to talk to people and participate in various forums to make them aware of our cause. Standing and protesting is not going to help us, because our voice will still be lost in the din...we need to speak where it matters and be heard where it matters...
RR
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malaGCPahije
08-12 02:33 PM
Steady march!, not fast march!! ;) I am very hopeful of the dates moving past mid 2002 for FY 2009. (which is about 8 months movement from now, and I think that is very possible).
I am thinking we have about 5-6% representation for the earlier years on this poll? What is everyone's estimate on the representation??
abt 5%. I think people from 2001/02/03 must have got so much frustrated that very few of them even check the visa dates, forget about checking IV regularly.
I am thinking we have about 5-6% representation for the earlier years on this poll? What is everyone's estimate on the representation??
abt 5%. I think people from 2001/02/03 must have got so much frustrated that very few of them even check the visa dates, forget about checking IV regularly.
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lazycis
01-10 09:57 AM
On USCIS website I-130 is also pending along with I-485.
At I-485 interview IO said only thing keeping my freedom (GC) away from me is NC.
Does that mean I-130 is going to clear automatically once the NC is cleared ? or do I have to be worried about that separately?
I-130 has to be approved first.
At I-485 interview IO said only thing keeping my freedom (GC) away from me is NC.
Does that mean I-130 is going to clear automatically once the NC is cleared ? or do I have to be worried about that separately?
I-130 has to be approved first.
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gsc999
11-10 05:24 PM
Its preposterous that USCIS does not allow LEGAL prospective permanent immigrants using EAD to bring their spouses!!
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Why are you so surprised? If you do get permanent residency then too your prospective wife will not be able to immigrate immediately.
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Why are you so surprised? If you do get permanent residency then too your prospective wife will not be able to immigrate immediately.
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desi3933
08-19 03:38 PM
Seriously, folks. What's with this thread? Total waste of time.
Someone announces his 'greatest achievement' ... others challenge him to show true patriotism... yet others ask him to continue supporting India etc., AND this chap actually responds :)!
Wow! Seriously we all have too much time on our hands to be self promoting / congratulating / reminiscing etc...
Glad that this person will call US Senators etc., lets thank him for that and keep moving... instead of grilling him on things that matter to you! He owes you all no explanations or apologies.
Peace!
>> Welcome to the FIRST Indian who is a US Citizen
Not sure what you mean here. :confused:
>> He owes you all no explanations or apologies.
Thanks and I appreciate that.
Someone announces his 'greatest achievement' ... others challenge him to show true patriotism... yet others ask him to continue supporting India etc., AND this chap actually responds :)!
Wow! Seriously we all have too much time on our hands to be self promoting / congratulating / reminiscing etc...
Glad that this person will call US Senators etc., lets thank him for that and keep moving... instead of grilling him on things that matter to you! He owes you all no explanations or apologies.
Peace!
>> Welcome to the FIRST Indian who is a US Citizen
Not sure what you mean here. :confused:
>> He owes you all no explanations or apologies.
Thanks and I appreciate that.
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gc28262
03-10 04:45 PM
One of the IV members has requested me to post this info.
He contacted his senator to get the total number of pending EB apps for India.
Please see the response from the senator in the following link. It has pending applications by category.
http://sites.google.com/site/gc28262/Home/Eb-IndiaPendingApps.pdf.pdf?attredirects=0
He contacted his senator to get the total number of pending EB apps for India.
Please see the response from the senator in the following link. It has pending applications by category.
http://sites.google.com/site/gc28262/Home/Eb-IndiaPendingApps.pdf.pdf?attredirects=0
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gcseeker2002
11-04 12:08 PM
I voted long back, but dont understand the purpose of this poll, is it just to feel satisfied that there are only fewer than 600 EB3 remaining or is there a bigger picture to this ?
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jimytomy
04-19 10:37 AM
Jimmy,
Did you change employer when you ported from eb3 to eb2, or stayed with the same employer?
- 2004 filed for Labor and started EB3 process.
- Company got acquired in later years . Filed new I140 ( I think it is called successor-in-interest)
- Recently started fresh EB2 process for interfiling of EB3 to EB2 . GC approved.
Thanks,
Jimytomy
Did you change employer when you ported from eb3 to eb2, or stayed with the same employer?
- 2004 filed for Labor and started EB3 process.
- Company got acquired in later years . Filed new I140 ( I think it is called successor-in-interest)
- Recently started fresh EB2 process for interfiling of EB3 to EB2 . GC approved.
Thanks,
Jimytomy
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arunmohan
06-12 05:58 PM
If they dont count Dependents we all get GCs very soon . Unfortunately all dependents even kids are counted under employement category ..
One change - Counting a number for primary applicant can change thousands of lifes each year .
This is really sad that they count all dependents under employement category. USCIS should treat all categories in same way. Can't we raise this issue?
One change - Counting a number for primary applicant can change thousands of lifes each year .
This is really sad that they count all dependents under employement category. USCIS should treat all categories in same way. Can't we raise this issue?
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